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Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

Posted on: February 8, 2011 1:10 pm
Edited on: February 8, 2011 8:14 pm
by Jerry Palm

Kansas has moved up to the top line replacing Connecticut in this week's bracket, but the top of the bracket is just littered with Big East teams.

The Jayhawks picked up just their second win of the season over a likely tournament team when it beat Missouri last night.  That fact makes them vulnerable to falling down from the top line if they slip up again.  Of course, if they keep playing the way they did last night, not too many slip ups are coming.

Duke, by the way, is still looking for its first win over a likely tournament team, which says more about the ACC than it does the Blue Devils.

UConn fell to the 9th spot on my S-Curve, which is the top 3-seed.  The are part of a pileup of Big East teams in that part of the bracket that includes Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova and Syracuse.   Those five all fall between 8th and 13th on the curve, with Purdue as the only interloper.

If that many Big East teams end up in that part of the bracket, it's not going to be fun for the committee to keep them all separated.  If five end up on the 2-3 lines, you would have a region where both the 2-seed and the 3-seed are Big East teams.  Although, the committee does have the right to move a team up or down one seed line for bracketing reasons like conference separation.  Sometimes, they do it just to allow a team to play closer to home.  Of course, moving a team up a line also means moving a team down a line, so it's not just one team that's affected.

If more than eight Big East teams make the field, which looks likely, there will be no way to avoid bracketing so two conference teams could meet before the regional final, which is always the goal.

Michigan State's
spectacular implosion continues, and the Spartans are no longer in the bracket.  You have to wonder if they will even finish .500 and play in the postseason at all.  I've never seen anything like this.  Texas stumbled last year after a 17-0 start, but the Longhorns still finished 7-9 after that and was able to beat most of the bottom feeders on their schedule still.  MSU can't even seem to do that.  They lost at home to Michigan.  They needed OT to beat Indiana.  They lost by 22 points at Iowa.  Iowa !  Then Wisconsin drilled them by 26 in a game that wasn't as close as the score would indicate.  There is too much talent to write them off entirely, but until someone comes in and performs an exorcism, it's hard to see the turnaround coming.

Washington is another team that fell dramatically after getting swept by the Oregon schools last week.  The Huskies already have three bad losses and cannot afford too many more.
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Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: February 12, 2011 12:51 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

um, my comments have been based in basic logic and understanding of the english language.  I also provided an argument, unlike the waste of a post you just made.  Maybe actually make a point as to how my posts were bad rather than a generalized statement backed by nothing but your ignorance.  Please oh please show me where I am wrong.  you can't possibly be dumb enough to think it is good form to back up an argument of overrated by using ratings?  can you?

Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: February 11, 2011 7:19 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates


Just quit man.  just log off, find a roof, and jump off it before you make my eyes bleed with another stupid comment. 

Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: February 10, 2011 1:45 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

well, smart guy, if you could actually read, you would notice that nowhere did I claim any conference was overrated.  I simply made the comment that you can't argue that a conference isn't overrated by using ratings as your supportive evidence.  I called out the poor logic of the argument, but never once made a statement about any conferences being overrated.

And any program that contains the biases of humans can never be objective no matter how much you think so.  Every definition you put forth for objectivity was the opposite of a system where the human who created it added in his own personal biases.  Just because his biases in creating the system were not targeted at a particular team or conference doens't mean the bias doesn't exist and that the system is somehow more objective and reliable. Nice try.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: February 10, 2011 12:03 am

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

it is quite sad that you guys don't think a computer ranking system can be biased.

There are different types of bias, and as a lawyer, I'm sure that you know that.  What people usually refer to as bias is favoritism, and computer rating systems do not show favoritism for different teams or conferences.  Computer programs cannot be tweaked during the season to support the partisan views of the programmer, yet humans are always showing either cognitive bias or favoritism in their ratings and arguments of why their teams are better than others might perceive.

So don't be so naive as to think these computer rankings are "objective."  That is laughable.

Of course computer programs can be objective!  Do you know what objective means?  Impartial, fair, disinterested, uninfluenced by emotions or personal preferences.  They are created long before the season starts, even before the schedules are created.  The men creating them are not using them to show their teams are the best.  Are they flawless?  Of course not but they ARE objective.  They have no interest in promoting certain teams or conferences.   While the programmers are showing preferences for what variables should count more than others, they are not doing so to promote certain teams or conferences.  That sounds VERY objective to me!!

On what basis do you assert that a conference is 'overrated' if the computers and polls agree that there is no conference better than them?  Your personal assessment?  As a Buckeye fan, do you believe your opinion is more objective than the computers and polls?  Now THAT is laughable.

Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2011 10:27 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

it is quite sad that you guys don't think a computer ranking system can be biased.  Because of the major flaws in just about every computer system out there, which you have already pointed out, how can you possibly say it isn't subject to overrating?  Clearly BYU is overrated in the RPI because of the flaws in its SoS formula.  So what makes you think that other than that it is objective?  Every single computer poll is based on a formula written by a person.  And that person's biases as to what costitutes a good team are therefore worked into their formulas.  So don't be so naive as to think these computer rankings are "objective."  That is laughable.

Since: Feb 27, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2011 7:42 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

The RPI has absolutely nothing to do with the polls.  The RPI is strictly an objective computer ranking.  It is composed of 25% of a team's win percentage, 50% of your opponent's winning percentage, and 25% of your opponent's opponents winning percentage.

And yes, the term "overrated" is typically used to descibe how humans feel about teams or conferences.  That's why I cited computer ratings.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2011 7:15 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates


Apparently you are not familiar with the term "overrated".  Let me break it down for you.  It means rated higher than should be.  So stating their #1 ratings most certainly does not support your argument that they are not overrated.  If anything, logically, it lends credence to the overrated argument.

Clearly a lawyer.  What most people mean when they say 'overrated' is overrated by humans.  The computer polls are supposed to counter that by using empirical means as opposed to considering reputations, biases, etc.  So if a team or conference is overrated by just based on past accomplishments, the computers will expose the bias (unless they themselves are designed with bias).  (That is unlikely given that there are so many different ratings designed in different ways by different people.)

So how can one tell if a team is overrated if the polls and computers both rank them 'too high'?  Apparently what you are saying is that the Big East is overrated because YOU feel they are not as good as both what other people (experts, not fans) AND computers find to be true.


you do know that rpi takes in where teams are ranked in the polls also dont you?

Where did you get THAT idea?  Absolutely NOT true!  The RPI (for all its flaws) is not based on poll data.

Since: Jan 24, 2011
Posted on: February 9, 2011 5:15 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

Since: Sep 10, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2011 1:59 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

you do know that rpi takes in where teams are ranked in the polls also dont you?  I don't take much stock in NCAA basketball polls, because they don't really mean squat.

Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2011 1:37 pm

Feb. 8 Bracket - Big East Dominates

again, bmooney94, please see my last comment.  The term overrated means they are rated too highly.  So basing your argument on their having several teams ranked highly is circular logic. 

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